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45 comments:
John Gibson and that she-creep make my blood boil. I may not live to see it, but there is going to be another civil war in this country if things don't change.
Hats off to Gary, who ever you are. You made them look like the bafoons they really are. Any of their listeners could tell they were avoiding your questions.
Fox and msm is a bizarro world. I wonder how come normal people can't see what is happening to our country. My only conclusion is that it must be fear, money or insanity. I can feel the pain that gary went through. I get the same response when I talk to obama supporters but, some are finally seeing the truth. Goodbye you actor in chief.
Hi all,
Send John Gibson your opinion on this matter and the Obama eligibility issues and Obama's criminal activities which include Birth Certificate Forgery, SSN Fraud, and Draft Registration Fraud. I have. Here is John Gibson's email address:
"gibsonradio@foxnews.com"
CDR Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.protectourliberty.org
Without a doubt, John Gibson is an embarrassment to genuine investigative journalism. Apparently, he is too concerned about his image to be concerned with reality. He would do well to be cast, along side, with many Republicans, in a new Hollywood re-make of the movie, "Night of the Walking Dead."
Furthermore, alleged "Conservatives," such as Gibson, claim "birther" / Constitutionalists, such as the radio program caller, [Gary] are fanatics. They continue to ridicule them in leftist radical fashion and portray them as conspiracy theorists.
Finally, these pathetic so-called "Conservatives" who ignore Obama's unconstitutional bogus "presidency" and Obama's crimes of forgery may be very disappointed, come the 2012 presidential election, for having thrown birther / Constitutionalist Conservatives under their radical ridicule bus:
"Why some Conservatives will not vote for the 2012 GOP nominee:"
http://freedomtorch.com/blogs/12090/3316/why-some-conservatives-will-not
These people are so narrow minded and have no logical mind what so ever.
Anybody in their right mind should have known that a person that hides his records and was only a community organizer and a poor senator should not be president. No matter how well he speaks ( with a telepromter). Wake up america!!!!!! Don't let your egos get in the way just because you made a mistake and fell for this creep. You can change your mind. Accept the bold truth.
It is patently obvious that FOX and the rest of the national media will not breech the subject of Obama's lack of eligibility and are covering up. If they do bring up the subject, they will deride the issue. The news media personalities, like Gibson, were either warned not to report, or picked up on clear signals that came down the cooperate grapevine from their employers, and with PC group think covered the rest of them.
@Anonymous
Yeah, Gary did all right. Gibson and sidekick were evading.
I just sent Gibson a scathing email which included telling him to stay tuned to find out what it feels like to be on the wrong side of history. I can hardly wait for the summit!
That was a great find pamela barnett. Obama didn't go to columbia for 2 years he only went there for 8 months. That's why he wont release his columbia school records because he was in pakistan and indonesia from may 81 until september of 82. He is a indonesian or kenyan citizen. Keep fighting. We are getting closer.
This radio talk show host even brought Jesus Christ into the debate to defend the fraud Barack Obama and his forged long form birth certificate. Listen to this on air debate I had with this radio talk show host:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GREU6DdKtZs
CDR Kerchner (Ret)
http://www.protectourliberty.org
We need to take some sort of action now. I can't believe I'm the only one who is tired of knowing everything I see and hear from all the media is a lie. I don't watch tv or listen to the radio anymore. They are all lying. This is great. Now we get to live everyday knowing everything is a lie. This issue is definitely exposing these traitors for who they are. Now is the time to ready our pitchforks and torches. We need to re-define the term "angry mob". This would be, actually, very healthy for the country, as a whole. Let's get rid of the "dead wood". This congress is finished. All must be jailed. A blind man can see it a mile away.
Rupert Murdoch is a New World Order strong-man. Comrade Barry, the flaming homo, is a pawn of the New World Order elites. John Gibson and all of faux news is doing the bidding of mega rich elites who are orchastrating the demise of the West. Faux news was the biggest 'anti-terror' advocates. Terrorism is a fraud, it does not exist, it is and excuse for things like the unPatriot Act, and invading Muslim countries for their resources, 911 was carried out by Massad and the CIA...wake the Fuck up idiots.
Well done, Gary, I applaud you. All they can do is ridicule, ridicule, ridicule...
@cfkerchner
Thank you, Commander Kerchner for his e-mail address. I just sent him an email. And thank you for all you do.
They sure told Gary! All those facts and documents they quoted really put him in his place!
@cfkerchner
Did you ever get a reply from him after his "experts" looked at it, if they even did.
I wold bet he would just say they said its real without disclosing who they are or how they examined it.
It would be great to have a 2 hour debate on national TV over this and the stolen SSN. Ratings would be quite high I would think.
OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE IMAGE IS ENCRYPTED WITH INTENTIONAL ARTIFACTS SUGGESTING CONNECTION WITH MALCOLM X!!!
http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/07/obamas-birth-certificate-image-is.html
I agree with anonymous 12:48 above. A lot of people are not STREET SMART. They have never had to deal with con artists, flim flam man, hustlers, pimps, bamboozle guys, pathological liars. Obam is all of the above and they CANNOT belive that someone like that could get elected to POTUS. But guess what children...he fooled a LOT of people that think they know-it-all and was elected. Barry is an expert at using phony IDs....he's well trained and has been doing it for the past FORTY YEARS.
You have to be a total idiot not to hear the fire bells ringing when someones hides ALL of their past records. Even I'm not that stupid.
The birth certificate is a forgery because it doesn't have his height and weight on it. Every birth certificate I have ever seen including mine has the baby's height and weight. That is another way we know it's a fake.
Darn, their comment section is pre-moderated...
I don't think we're going to see any comments from the opposition, lol.
Zerobama is fake! fake! we still don't know his legal name, his backgroud, he could have been anything, drug addick, drug dealer, bank robber, male prostitute, pimp, etc...., we will never know, all we know he is marxist lying junkie...
I think Gary's effort is very admirable here. We do have to fight the fight in the dommestic media. As I have been saying, the battle can be won if we get the FOREIGN MEDIA to cover it. My theory being it gets covered over there. Then the buzz starts overseas that the Obots can't stop and then it ends up in Drudge and then the crushing blow to Obama begins.
There are many inexpensive ways to call overseas. You can use www.freephone2phone.com as I have been mentioning or you can use Vonage.
Try calling the UK Daily Mail at 011-44-20-7983-6000 ask for the foreign desk
call the Irish times at 011-353-1-675-8000 The person I talked to there said "I suppose we have the resources to look at the birth certificate but I don't know why we should." Maybe a little nudge here from good folks like you could make a difference here.
or call the Sydney Morning Herald 011-61-2-9282 2833 and connect with their newsdesk.
Heck I even called the VG tabloid in Oslo at 011-47-2200-0000 with all that is going on there. Heck that is worth a try at this point.
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I WANT TO SEE STORIES POSTED HERE ABOUT PEOPLE CALLING FOREIGN MEDIA OUTLETS. IF WE COULD GET 10,000 AMERICANS TO CALL OVERSEAS MEDIA OUTLETS WE COULD WIN MIGHT WIN THIS THING IN A MORE EXPEDITED FASHION. YOU CAN DO IT!
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I want to say, watching events here in Washington right now with the Debt ceiling vote. I am very heartened to watch the salt of the Earth folks of the Tea Party derail the establishment. You are the pulse of America you are the people who make this country work and not people around me.
I look forward to reading your stories about calling overseas.
RF
Washington, DC
fuck it its time to burn these libtard stations to the ground. its time we take a stand for truth and freedom. treat us like fools at your own risk. when it comes down to it these liberals are scared shitless of the american people. its time to show them we will no longer tolerate their lies and acts of treason. its time they are afraid to even leave their homes.
@cfkerchner
Commander Kerchner,
Thank you for supplying John Gibson's email address. I've mailed him but don't expect an answer back as I have emailed FOX before with no answer [back]. Here, following, was my message:
You made a fool of yourself........Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:41 PM From: "Nathan Bickel" To: gibsonradio@foxnews.com
Mr. John Gibson,
Just a short note to let you know that you made a fool of yourself the way you ridiculed and treated the one caller, "Gary," on your one program.
Debunking and ridiculing Conservative birther / Constitutionalists make you appear, very small. You only belittle America and its cherished US Constitution. Your refusal to intelligently discuss and debate Obama's unconstitutional bogus "presidency" and his forgery crimes only lends itself toward media cowardice.
Until several months ago, I was accustomed to watching the FOX Network news. Since then, I've quit, and, am better for it.
You can continue down the despicable road you've chosen - ignoring Obama's unconstitutional bogus "presidency" and forgery crimes. That, is your option - but the public is soon becoming more and more aware of you (and the FOX) refusal to do investigative journalism.
You've done your profession dirty, and thereby made yourself and your Network employer, a complicit partner in Obama's crimes against this nation. Shame on you!
Sincerely,
Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel
www.thechristianmessage.org
MY EMAIL TO JOHN GIBSON:
An email to John Gibson (gibsonradio@foxnews.com)
Hey John...check this out - A new Poll shows 75% believe Obama born in....KENYA!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/61171134/Press-Core-Poll-28-Jul-2011-Was-Obama-Born-in-Kenya-or-Hawaii-75-say-Kenya
BTW I will debate you on your radio program anytime you are ready...I am sure it will make for great ratings. To make it a fair fight....I will wear my straightjacket!
One hour or 3 hours...we can do the following topics:
1. usurpation of the presidency and the Natural Born Citizen clause (art. 2 sec.1)
2. Forged Birth Certificate
3. Multiple social security #s and related identity fraud
4. Forged and back-dated selective service registration.
I will use no notes because I won't have use of my hands!
Let's do it John...your chance to show us your evidence and put the issue to bed! You can even have O'Reilly help you!
Gary
at giveusliberty
@GaryThank you Gary for taking on this IDIOT on the radio! Their reactions made me so mad that I had to get up from the computer and cool off. I just pray that it won't come to bloodshed to get rid of that lying scum in the WH but if it does, then so be it. I too will email that nutjob and tell him what kind of fool he is. They're all so damned scared of criticising the first "black president" (their words not mine) that they will let their country go down the drain. That makes them all accessories to the crime!
john and christine could spend a weekend doing a little research on this matter and they would at least understand why we have some unresolved issues here .
they dont know anything because they dont WANT to know anything .
@Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel
Pastor, now you know why many people use the term neocon to describe stooges like Gibson! He had a book Hating America...HOW ABOUT "HATING NEOCONS AND THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THEM"
They're not censoring the comments at Fox News Radio...Have fun guys!
Let the caller make his comments without commentator noise or disparaging remarks - I blame both Republicans and Democrats for Obama in office - unfortunately we need more credible attorneys other than Orly Taitz who is batting zero
Thanks for posting (idiot) John Gibsons email(what a doofus follower who cares too much about his job and who can not see the TRUTH even if it slaps him in the face)
below is my version...I did copy and paste some comments of others as what they said, they said so well....
Hey John...check this out - A new Poll shows 75% believe Obama born in....KENYA!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/61171134/Press-Core-Poll-28-Jul-2011-Was-Obama-Born-in-Kenya-or-Hawaii-75-say-Kenya
You made a fool of yourself the way you ridiculed and treated the one caller, "Gary," on your one program.
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/07/gary-v-fox-news-john-gibson-obamas.html
You showed your stupidity and incompetence, along with the inability to recognize the TRUTH when it is slapping you in the face.
Shame on you for using the "Saul Alinsky" tactics on an honest American who only is standing up for the TRUTH to preserve our nation.
Obviously, you and your co-horts don't give a d*** about what will happen to this nation if the criminal and fraud does not get removed from the (people's) W.H.
Your antics remind me of an old saying "Don't confuse me with the facts!"
You can continue down the despicable road you've chosen - ignoring Obama's unconstitutional bogus "presidency" and forgery crimes. That, is your option - but the public is soon becoming more and more aware of you (and the FOX) refusal to do investigative journalism.
You've done your profession dirty, and thereby made yourself and your Network employer, a complicit partner in Obama's crimes against this nation.
You have to be a total idiot not to hear the fire bells ringing when someones hides ALL of their past records. Even I'm not that stupid.
JUST REMEMBER....THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS COME OUT...you can choose which side to be on when it happens.
Carolyn
COMMENTS FROM GIBSON'S RADIO SITE; LOOKS LIKE A KNOCKOUT FOR GARY!
deanhaskins 0p · 21 hours ago
Obviously, in your little Fox News bubble, you're just not aware that we are legion. Please apply a little journalistic effort instead of discounting something of which you're sadly deficient in understanding.
Dean C. Haskins
Executive Director, The Birther Summit http://www.birthersummit.org
deanhaskins 0p · 21 hours ago
I just reports it as I sees it.
http://www.birthersummit.org/news/in-the-news
Tom Q · 20 hours ago
My suggestion to you John is to educate yourself on the history and legal definition of a "natural born Citizen" as found in Article 2 section 1 clause 5 of the Constitution instead of covering up your ignorance with sarcastic remarks. In particular you may want to look into Minor vs. Happerset for insight into the courts understanding of a natural born Citizen. And by the way niether Rubio or Jindal are Natural born, not because their parents weren't born here, because neither parents were not citizens at the time of either one's birth.
SandyT · 20 hours ago
Your caller, Gary, only said what most Americans believe, because the mounting evidence points to the fact that Obama is NOT eligible to be president of the United States, per the Constitution. Have you ever even looked at the evidence? I have been a loyal Fox News viewer ever since the channel started and listen to Fox Radio almost daily, but I do not understand why Fox continues to try to deny the right of Americans to know the truth about Obama and his questionable past. Just the fact that his father was a Kenyan and British subject makes Obama ineligible, combined with his fraudulent social security number, the Selective Service registration questions, and all the records he has hidden should make any reasonable person question, why? Why has the media, including Fox, covered for him?
Tony B · 19 hours ago
John, I love your show but that conversation you and your sidekicks had with Gary sounded just like it was coming from Lawrence O'Donnell, Keith Olber****, Chris Matthews, Inc. It was shameful hearing a conservative group mocking the callere Gary. You made me sick to my stomach. You guys have been in the "bubble" so long that you haven't a clue as to what is going on behind the scenes (forced behind the scenes because of guys like you) with this CORRUPT President. What you need to do is get Doug Vogt (PhD) on your show. He is not a "kook" "crazy", he has filed a 28 page criminal complaint with the FBI, subjecting himself to scrutny by the FBI, in order to present irrefutable evidence that the Birth Record released on April 27th was a forgery. That would sure help clear things up. You had no problem with ONE single man proving Dan Rather's document to be a forgery (Joseph M. Newcomer) but now you have a problem with anyone who dare say Obama's document is a forgery. Shame on you.
Tony B · 19 hours ago
John, Here is a continuation of my first comment. You slandered Gary presenting him as a "kook" and a "crazy". As I said you and your crew sounded just like Keith Olber**** and Lawrence O'Connell and Ed Shultz and Chris Matthews. You are suppose to be better than than. Doug Vogt is no "kook'. Give him a call and he will provide all the information you need, invite him on the show. Major General Paul Vallely, a Fox news contributor for years, asked his ex-CIA friends and investigators to examine the April 27th BC. Ten (10) out of ten (10) declared the document a FORGERY. I believe Gary was wrong stating you know about the FORGED document, at least I hope Gary was wrong. Major General Paul Vallely is a well respected man and a man of great reputation, not a "kook" nor a "crazy". At this point I think you and your staff may be the people with their heads in the sand.
Aja · 18 hours ago
Your interview with Gary was a disgrace!! Whether you and your ilk in the the mainstrem media want to admit it or not there's a huge problem with all of Obama's records and MILLIONS of Americans want the truth. The media has not done ANY Vetting of this person we have in the White House !! You guys picked him now your going to have to live with your choice of covering for this man. Fast and Furious , Resko , Fraudulent SS#, Fradulent Selective Service applications , the list goes on and on and on. So go ahead and cover up for him and when the truth comes out, and it will!!! You and your ilk in the mainstream media are going to have to explain to the American people why we shouldn't throw all of you A$$ es in jail for Sedition and Treason. I don't know what school you went to Mr. Gibson but where I went to school I was taught to be the president of the United States you have to be born on the soil to TWO CITIZEN PARENTS!!! and as far as I know there has been NO CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDENT changing that fact!!!! As far as Obama goes ****** US citizen Father Kenya/British Not a Natural Born Citizen stop the games and do your dam job!!!!!
Trial · 17 hours ago
LOL. I hope Gary sues you guys for slander.
"We just think you're a kook, Gary, bottom line."
Wow! You certainly showed him!
"I'll do what I wanna do, how does that sound?"
What is this? Elementary school where you're begging a guy to give you a smack down?
"Gee, I wonder why John"
Translation:
We'd rather ridicule you then debate you! You're just a cwazy conpiwacy theowist! You got facts, we don't. We won't bother to research it either! We got majority opinion! AHAHAHAHA!
"It's either that or you're a kook."
O'Reilly's scrubbed segment where he says he'll stake his professional career on the "birther" controversy...then goes on to spout lies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29cTXzfWloY
vharlow · 17 hours ago
You are so wrong on the eligibility issue. Were you worth your salary, you would be joining us to get this guy under oath in a court of law testifying about this fraud he posted on the official White House website. Or is it ok with you guys that the guy is breaking the law, thumbs his nose at his oath of office, and that very little of his publicized past is true. I'd be quite happy if Hawaii officials testified under oath, but they won't. Obama is a fraud, a usurper, and ineligible on the basis of the Constitutional requirement that he be a natural born citizen.
I think you know all this. If so, then you are being dishonest.
Mavis Goebel · 16 hours ago
I am insulted as to how you treated Gary Wilmott on live radio. People like you, think that we regular folks don't know what is going on. We have all noticed a change with Bill OR'eillys program and most of us are sadden as we see those that have a voice in radio are taking the same route of indifference and name calling to those of us who are seeking answers.. The people are smarter than you brainwashed idiots. We know Obama is lying and will socialize America. He is not fit to be president and by you not listening to the people, means you don't give a damn, . Fox News also sold out! But you didn't get to Glenn Beck. His last statement to his audience as the show was ending: "Good Night America, I'm leaving with my soul." Glenn Beck and Shawn Hannity will be the ones we look to for acurate and no spin news.
p.s. I'm sending this email with the link shown above to all my tea party friends...and to the newly elected Tea Party congressmen.
Mary Adams's avatar
Mary Adams · 16 hours ago
Hahahahahahahahaha!
Good on ya, John! Gary and the birthers are NUTZ!
Robert · 12 hours ago
I cannot believe how unprofessionally you treated Gary. Your and your staff's behavior was totally unacceptable! I couldn't believe that a POTUS would ever submit a fake birth certificate, until I downloaded and examined it. Have you done that? You should have by now. Even if you know nothing about graphics, you have someone on your staff that does know enough to know it's fake within one minute of viewing. I did have a great deal of respect for you. After listening how you treated Gary today, I have absolutely no respect for you now. Even if you haven't examined the birth certificate personally issued by obama, soetoro or what ever his real name is, you treated Gary very unprofessionally! Why?
Download and examine obama's certified birth certificate for yourself and have your staff help you. You will see and understand.
Here is the email that I sent to John Gibson
Greeting Mr. Gibson,
As you can tell by my greeting to you, I have great respect for you as a human being and an American citizen. I was very offended by the way you and your female phone monitor disrespected a tax paying citizen named "Gary" who called into your radio show who appeared to be FRUSTRATED, and rightly so, and angry about the black out discussion of the President's concealed records. I know that you and everyone in the media knows that Obama is ineligible to be sitting in the Whitehouse; however there is NO EXCUSE for you or anyone else to mock with condescension, taxpaying citizens who have a right to voice their concerns over legitimate constitutional issues. Also, I was deeply offended by your condescending remark against Dr. Jerome Corsi, a highly educated intelligent well known bestselling author, by referring to Gary the caller, as Jerome Corsi on the phone. I just want to leave you with this one scripture Mark 4:22 both Amplified and King James Versions:
"Things are hidden temporarily only as a means to revelation. For there is nothing hidden except to be revealed, nor is anything [temporarily] kept secret except in order that it may be made known."
"For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad."
Patricia L. Dickson
United States Air force (Ret)
John Gibson got his break from the OJ trial, he was on TV for quite awhile, umtil they got tired of seeing him, now I know why..He was extremely rude to Gary. What are all these commentators going to say when the real truth comes out, are they going to admit they were wrong.
John Gibson got his break from the OJ trial, he was on TV for quite awhile, umtil they got tired of seeing him, now I know why..He was extremely rude to Gary. What are all these commentators going to say when the real truth comes out, are they going to admit they were wrong.
The make jokes, not points or arguments. It's sad, they have no way to argue against it.
@Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel
"Why some Conservatives will not vote for the 2012 GOP nominee:"
Pastor Emeritus,
Genuine conservatives, Patriots, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, etc. are between a rock and a hard place here. Not voting for the GOP candidate may essentially be a vote for Obama. The GOP candidate would surely be the lesser of the two evils.
What are you talking about? Just the fact that Soetoro is, again, on the ballot means things are still really fucked up. It wouldn't matter who votes for who. If the illegal alien is on the ballot, he will win. All bets are off with the republicans. They are useless and deserve to lose. They all belong behind bars. I could not stomach voting for any one of them.
@Anonymous
Anonymous - Re: Your 7/29/11 - 6:34 comment response:
I quote from a blog I posted:
.......If Obama's illegitimate and illegal occupation to the US presidency is not a priority with "Conservatives," - then, voting in the 2012 elections for a "Conservative" [against, Obama] isn't a priority with me and other "birther" conservative / patriotic, Americans!
If the United States Constitution isn't worth, upholding and fighting (for), - then, the defeat of the United State's Constitution, usurper, isn't worth it, either.......
http://freedomtorch.com/blogs/12090/3316/why-some-conservatives-will-not
If the Republican nominee won't care enough to uphold the US Constitution, thereby upholding the law - also, call for prosecution of Obama's forgery crimes, then, I cannot in good conscience vote for someone who has turned a blind eye, being complicit in Obama's crimes against our nation.
Let me put it to you this way: If I were a juror in the trial of a mob member and his get-a-way driver, I would not vote for an innocent verdict for the driver. Even though he did not do the machine gun murder, the driver is equally guilty. Likewise, I cannot vote for a Republican nominee who plays dumb to Obama's crimes against this country - and, helps Obama get away with it.
Dear John
I have three words for you: shame on you!
While it may take years, the truth has a way of floating to the top and this media coverup of the Obama birth certificate fraud is already backfiring. You really should have the courage to go out into the streets and interview regular average Americans on our research into obama's birthplace fraud and the resulting ineligibilty of his presidency. But then, Americans are even more insulted by the astonishingly massive colusion of the media slumlords at attempting to ignore this historically unprecedented fraud.
Sadly, most conservative Americans that I know are long past criying over their disappointment in Fox news, as we discovered that your leadership policy is no less or more than the MSNBCs of the media slums. Ask average American Patriots what we think of Fox News and you will find that our disappointment is in the tens of millions. Yes, we used to believe in guys like you, Mr. Gibson, but you have sold your souls to the devil. I wonder what your children will think when they discover that you and your Fox colleagues knew the "obama BC fraud truth", and hid it from the American people? Shame on you, Sir!
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/07/gary-v-fox-news-john-gibson-obamas.html
I have a question for Gary; How did you get past the call screener?
That's a good question. I called John an "ASS". She said "I love it!...anyone who calls John an ass gets to go to the front of the line. You're going to be the next call! I told her that John wasn't going to like what I had to say. She wasn't paying attention. I warned her! The rest is history! - Gary
giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com and onenationunderfraud.blogspot.com
I think I got some good stuff out there! You never know when they will cut you off!
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